Coming selfishly back to get your thoughts on the stones in this cuff bracelet that is selling on-line. Reseller doesn’t know but mentions Bisbee/Lander blue if I recall.
I’m sorry, formatting is goofy. In short, the seller just said words about the stones without knowledge, based on what else she sells. Unfortunately, words like Lander Blue and Bisbee get used to suggest high end but without a basis. When you see something advertised as Lander Blue in a random person’s offerings, you can safely run for the hills. Bisbee is also rare, and other stones can resemble it, like Kingman and the new Egyptian turquoise.
I’m also curious about Roie Jacque.@Jason, is this a real artisan? I know there’s a ton being sold hallmarked this way, and statements about his supposed background, but quite a lot looks like it’s composed of manufactured elements (bracelet and ring mass-produced shanks), so it puzzles me.
Interesting you state that about this hallmark. Last night when I looked at stuff with that hallmark most pieces looked “new” and not interesting IMO. And the above bracelet appears out of place with most of what I saw.
What @chicfarmer said. It’s always a red flag when someone just happens to throw out the names of the two most famous American turquoise mines. It’s actually almost always a red flag when any seller mentions Lander Blue. There’s way more “Lander Blue” on the market than was ever mined. I’ll never beleive any turquoise is Lander Blue without solid provenance. Also, classic appearing Bisbee (smokey, wispy, chocolate brown or purplish matrix) and Lander Blue (very tight black web matrix) don’t actually look anything like one another, so it’s not logical that you could narrow it down to one of the two based on appearance. And the seller admitted they don’t know. So they’re just putting the names of the two most googled turquoise mines on their listing for hits.
All that being said I do think these are pretty stones.
Remember he old term “buyer beware?” Truer words have not been spoken when it comes to the rare types of turquoise. Speaking of that…how much to you trust the word of galleries with regard to types of turquoise cabs (or jewelry). I bought some Bisbee cabs from a fairly well know Southwest gallery (I’m not going to mention the name) years ago. Somehow I’m not 100% convinced, but I like to believe the gallery would not sell fakes. These are not good photos…excuse the lighting/glared, but would appreciate all thoughts . I can try to get photos with less glare later.
will stick this here …just came across a pair of turq&coral earrings w/“organic” in the description. so,yeah,I looked.
apparently,the seller considered the leaf design was “organic” enough.
sigh
@TaraFawn75 that’s funny. I do see some resellers cross list on various sites. I was interested to figure what the stones were given how it was listed.
Yup, word loading. Bisbee, rare, old pawn, museum quality. As for your original question about the type of turquoise, I feel pretty confident that the stone all the way on the right of your first picture is Chinese. The other two look to possibly be from the same mine, and I can’t really venture a guess.
@Bmpdvm most of these stones look to have pyrite in them. I haven’t personally ever heard of Bisbee having pyrite, although it may sometimes and I may just be unaware.
@OrbitOrange yes your right. I can see that the one on the right does look “Hubei” Chinese like. And it looks different at least from the center one.
Wonder if they are Tibetan turquoise.
This entire forum sends me down lots of rabbit holes - at least they’re enjoyable! Precisely why I’m not on facebook. I would go down a lot of annoying and frustrating rabbit holes…
