From one I had if I remember right, it said that both sr and jr used same mark. I thought it to be a turtle until one day searching out another I came across it in the Hallmarks book. Then googled him as he is Navajo I believe but works in the Hopi style.
it is hard to see, but it has the striped hand and the marks across the body identical. I thought I had a close up of it but it matched each detail. That also is the long handle. I believe i had the article in my description. I will see if I can find it. Another gal and I were discussing it by email.