Please help to know better this two rings

Hello everyone, I just found two rings and would like to know better them.
If you can help me about maybe the Navajo artists behind them, the approximate year when this rings was made and maybe the stones of them ?

All the best
Jonas





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I found this on the Amerindian site.


Since the site does have some errors, your best bet is to also look up this artist and see what’s out there by him (to see if it is similar). I found this interesting info about SY hallmarks (yours seems to have the period after the letters, although it may have worn off after the Y). Odd that the"sterling" seems to be upside down. Sampson Yazzie | Native American Jewelry Tips

Love the turquoise in the second ring in particular.

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Thank you very much ! It’s helping a lot! And what do you think of the stones ? Which mine do you think it is ?

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Hmmm…that’s a good question. It’s always an educated guess without provenance. I’m afraid I seem to always guess Kingman (there’s a lot out there), but I don’t know on these. I would say that they are probably from American mines, and not Chinese. If I had to say on the first one, I think I would lean towards Kingman.

Then again, on the second one I don’t really know if it’s from an American mine. I’ve seen some Persian, but I don’t know much about it, and I’m wondering if this could be something like that. But I am no expert!!

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The second one looks like some Turquoise and pyrite cabs I made in the 1980’s.
The rough turquoise was attributed to Sleeping Beauty Mine.
The rough was from Thunderbird Supply in Gallup, so a trustworthy source.

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Thank you very much for all of your help !!! And if you have to put a price on it, which one would it be ?

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Thank you ! And you said for the first one or the second ring ?

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What you mean by rough, sorry I’m a beginner and the English is not my first language, so I don’t know if you mean the first ring or the second ?

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The second one could be Sleeping Beauty with Pyrite.

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Nice rings. My guess…and I know very little about turquoise mines…is Manassas and Morenci. :woman_shrugging:

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Ok thanks ! What is Pyrite?
And the first one, what do you think ?

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And if you have to put a price on it, which one would it be ?

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Great rings. I think the first may be Ceremonial Kingman and the turquoise in the second one looks like it is quite possibly from a mine in Arizona. Remember—-without provenance determining the origin of turquoise is an educated guess at best,

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@Islandmomma What is Ceremonial Kingman? I haven’t heard of that turquoise before. Thanks!

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Ok thank you very much ! And what about a Royston for the first ring ?

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I have seen ceremonial Kingman and a number of conversations particularly in one private group on Facebook about Turquoise specifically. I think the ceremonial part comes in because of all the swirling that shows in the matrix and Turquoise… That’s where I came up with that name. A number of members in that group are well-versed long-term turquoise people. I just googled what is ceremonial Kingman Turquoise, and up comes very similar looking stones.

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That does not look like Royston to me. I have a bunch of Royston in various colors some dating back to the 70s and none of it looks like that. It just doesn’t have that swirl.
My guess would be Kingman. It is very pretty.

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Me saying Kingman is like saying water is wet, cause I guess it most of the time. But there’s a whole boatload of Kingman out there. And there’s nothing wrong with that! Kingman can be beautiful, and it’s a great American mine. I was thinking I might get to go visit it on this next trip to Arizona, but I don’t think we’ll have time to go that far west and north.

@Jons, the term rough is referring to a turquoise chunk taken out of the ground, not polished.

Pyrite is a mineral often called fool’s gold, that can be found in the matrix of turquoise from certain mines.

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Wouldn’t put down your calling Turquoise Kingman a lot of the time. There are so many sections that are not at all alike-for example Ithaca Peak, Turquoise Mountain etc. Also Kingman has been operating a long time.
Glad you answered Jons other questions as well.

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The first ring looks like what they’re calling “Ceremonial Kingman” turquoise!

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